The point I have been trying to make, which you bugtraqers seem to have missed, is that my comments had to do with the use of the term impossible with respect to detecting sniffers. If you had said infeasible or incredibly expensive, or some other such term, I probably would not have made my comments. When you say "impossible" in a scientific context, you had better mean traversing the speed of light or some such thing, and even then, it's based on some assumptions and observations and should be qualified (i.e., impossible under the most widely accepted current epistemology of physics). Now, if you could quit wasting your time arguing over this minor point and get back to tracking bugs, it would probably be more fruitful. Which brings me to the latest version of Microsoft's spreadsheet distrubuted with Windows. We were doing a very simple spread sheet by my standards, and it computed terribly wrong values. When we took the same spreadsheet and plugged it into 123, it did the right thing. Anyone have a bug fix? -- ----------------- \Management /\/| 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236 \ /\/ | Check out info-security heaven and test your system \/\ /\/ | for known vulnerabilities (1st time for free) at URL: \/Analytics| (scans deeper than SATAN or ISS) http://all.net:8080 ----------------- ASIS "Security Management" Articles and Information On-Line Read "Protection and Security on the Information Superhighway" John Wiley and Sons, 1995 ISBN 0-471-11389-1, 320 pp, $24.95